I'm just going to leave this here.

So, there's this.

This, is the first NY Times article about Big Daddy. They say that sure, he's not so anti-Semetic as all that. He's just saying so for votes.

Yeah, that happened.

Text, technology, and the Jewish Question.

So I have been remiss in my lulz, no? That is all right. Because much like the Gestapo, if you leave them alone long enough, the lulz find you and kick your bloody door in and relocate you to some ghetto.

So today, the ghetto in question is the Walled City of the Huffington Post, which has the benefit at least of being a blog full of opinion articles, and only barely pretends to be a legitimate news source (CNN, Fox, I am looking at you), and the lulz are found via Alan Kaufman's post thereupon about how the kindle is to books like the NSDAP is to the Jews. No, srsly.

Normally, we would giggle, Godwin, and go home, but Das Kainenchen felt moved to comment on some of the more egregiously alarmist and flat out hilariously wrong points here (i.e.-- the difference between a mandated purge and the expansion of a medium). And there, in the comments, we came upon This, from the author:

As not a few comments on this and other sites have invoked Godwin's Law in response to my article, as though it were Holy Writ, I've fornulated my own law:

KAUFMAN'S LAW: "Efforts such as Godwin's Law to thwart the finding of contemporary relevance in the Holocaust is a form of Holocaust denial."

Now wait just a cotton pickin' second there, son. I don't think that means what you think it means.

For starters, what we have here is good old Reducto ad Hitlerium-- you know, the Hitler wore pants arguments. Hitler burned books, so anything that might possibly be of percieved harm to books = Hitleresque. Quid pro quo, Clarice. Sometimes he still hears the books screaming at night.

For the moment, I shall dispense with the argument as to whether I think the kindle causes harm to traditional books (I don't, quite the opposite), or even whether I agree with the point that having all of one's texts available solely through controlled (digitally licensed) media is worrisome (I do, but note the qualifier) and deal with the above truly lulz-worthy statement.

There is a difference, and while that difference may be utterly lost on tehs intertubes, it is yet a profound difference-- between Thought and Godwin. It is one thing to genuinely examine the causes of National Socialism and how the Fascist expression thereof became the Holocaust as it happened in Nazi Germany, and to wonder if such a thing could happen Here and Now-- and if so, how it could, and why, and what factors might lead to it. It is one thing to wonder if there are not elements of our society that might not, left unchecked, lead to holocaust-like purges-- for example, the examination of American internment of Japanese people in WWII, or the worries about the treatment of contemporary Muslims and/or Arabs in light of the actions of a few. It is quite another thing to compare any random thing one doesn't like to a bloody, unilateral, government sanctioned relocation, enslavement and massacre of a race/religion. Even-- perhaps especially-- when said massacre is personally relevant to your own history. I understand the emotional resonance of invoking such a horror for... you know, whatever (even books, physical books, which are a thing that I love), but one must be judicious not only in the subject of the comparison, but also in the way in which the analogy is carried out. I don't think it is too much to ask that the analogy be... I don't know, relevant? That one not have to reach to draw parallels where what parallels there might be are so tenuous as to be completely irrelevant. Else, the discussion, when there is something important here becomes weakened, pathetic, a breeding ground for lulz. Like here. The import of the Shoah is lessened, the import of the issue the man actually wished to discuss is lessened. Houston, We have Doing It Rong.

To take that a step further and to say that calling Godwin's is Holocaust Denial is lulz of the highest order. The whole point of Godwin's Law is that petty and trivial things-- faith, anything short of wholesale slaughter or the path thereto (barring slippery slope fallacies like this one here) is probably petty and trivial by comparison. This is not Holocaust denial. It is a ridicule of someone's use of the Holocaust to validate their own point, whether that point be sketchy or valid.

And as to what I think of the point... well, that is not a matter for Dead Nazis, but rather a tl;dr.

ETA: Even better, I seem to have been banned from commenting on yon post, which makes me wish hard that I had saved my comment to post here or on Tl;dr. Cozya-- it was largely about how book replacement wasn't mandatory or otherwise being enforced by a government, so who were the great Technocratic They waging this war against the real book, citing some books that I can only get in e-format. Eh, it was probably Das Kainenchen's username (deadnazi) what did it. /sigh.

You can't have it both ways.

For those who are going to protests carrying things like this:






And touting more of this kind of crap, I have a bit of a semantics lesson for you. Please to be paying attention to the Gauleiter in the Jackboots. There's a love.

Just because National Socialism has "Socialism" somewhere in the name... well, this does not make it actually socialist. There were some things about socialism, sure, that NSDAP embraced-- community, unity, workers working solidly together for the universal betterment of their country, and putting their country before all other concerns... well yes, in theory. However, this was a Single Party System that got rid of all other parties and put a dictator in charge. That makes it fascist.

This thing you're talking about with Obama? Not fascist. Hell, George Bush wasn't actually fascist, though the post 9/11 lingo has a little bit more in common with fascism... well, with National Socialism in particular... than what is going on now. Why and how can I say this?

Because the man went away when his term was over. As will Obama. There's still multiple parties in your shiny Amerikanner guv'mint. Go figure!

At the end of it, like it or not, you may find yourself with affordable access to health care, even if you have a shit retail job. This is a leftist ideal, by the way... that the government has the obligation to provide health care to all of its citizens, regardless of who and what they are. And without radically re-defining who is and isn't a citizen either, like *koff*some people*koff* did. National Socialists are, by definition, so far to the right they make your silly republicans look like Engels supporters. We killed communists in ways Joe McCarthy only wished he could. You don't know about our anti-communism, bitches.

To say that some of us know better now would be an understatement. But I'd like you lot drawing little scrub moustaches on Obama to consider whether or not you're doing it because you have any idea of what Hitler's party stood for and can argue, in good conscience, that they have thing bloody one in common, or if you're doing it because dad gum, dem lib'rals did it to Bush and Hitler has come to represent to you lot Everything Evil Ever? Just think on it.

Though really, if you're going to use someone to represent Everything Evil Ever, I still think you'd do better going with Himmler. The sick sadistic little fuck.

On youtube, everyone can hear you godwin.

So you've probably all seen This story, by now. But let's go forward a moment, to a video:





And some commentary that says it far, far better than I ever could:

Wanting to overhaul our completely fucked up health care system is not. the. mother. fucking. same. fucking. thing. as. Nazism.

Fucking. Hell.

You may think because World War II ended 60 years ago that your slinging the term "Nazi" around like a goddamned tether ball won't hurt anybody but, maybe, a few decrepit veterans and Holocaust survivors, who aren't paying attention, anyway. You fail to realize that the descendants of these veterans and survivors (and the descendants of the millions of non-Jews the Nazis murdered) are countless. We are part of this debate too, and we are listening to you as you pout and scream and wave your little posters. Some of us were probably even in that same hall as you when Barney Frank asked you what planet you came from. In fact, one was. Frank himself is Jewish. And if you think that misusing a term like Nazi in front of him didn't affect him, think fucking again.

Indeed. What planet are you from where you can afford to be so blisteringly ignorant about a war that is still very much affecting not only survivors and their descendants, but world politics? What planet are you from where it is acceptable to take a specific and very, very loaded term like "Nazi" and twist it to mean "someone we don't like." What gives you the right to do that with equally specific and loaded terms like "fascist" and "communist" and "Bolshevik?" (Not that I hear the last one so much, given that you probably wouldn't know how to pronounce it).

That right there? That's what I'm fucking talking about. And for those derailing the um... necessary and important conversation about health care with accusations of nazi-ism like it has shit to do with shit:





Barney Frank FTW.

U can tell by teh pixelz....

From just about everywhere:



Mmm, tastes like clone tool. Now this right here? This is some LULZ. One way or the other. I guess they couldn't figure out cropping, but they had all this clone tool there. And a touch of blur. Either way-- I mean, whether there's an innocent explanation or not-- That's some funny shit right thar.

Also, torir.org. Spread the knowingz.

And today's "The More You Know" Win goes to the British school system today, since a whole fuckton of British kids seem to think that Auchwitz is a kind of beer.

Ferserious.

It estimated that among Britain's 4.5 million 11- to 16-year-olds, 90,000 believed Auschwitz was a drink and 45,000 thought it was a type of bread.

...

Ninety seven per cent, however, were able to identify Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler from a photograph.



Tastes like liquid doom.

What was that about Poland again?

Ja, I have nothing to say about this.

No, I have plenty to say about it. AND ALL OF IT LULZ!

But then there's times where the gallows begins to outweight the humor, and yeah.

Ja.

Googlefun strikes again!

One doesn't really have to work hard to make fun of some nazis, after all. Some nazis make fun of themselves. Nevermind that if this was a wikipedia article, it would need cleanup bad, to meet standards.

One could always use my method of course: For values of Some Nazis, (sometimes but not always in reference to sproggly weirdshit), read: Himmler.

The Catholic Pants Command Me.

Today I did something I don't usually do, feeling very lulz deprived, and I googled 'nazis', to see what turned up.

It seems that reductio ad Hitlerium is everywhere. People all the time be trying to associate everything they don't like with Hitler and the Nazis (Much like ol' Darling Adolphe did with the Jews, but OOH LOOK MOM, an IRONY!). This includes the Athiests!

Because OH NOES, the NAZIS were CHRISTIANS A LOT, and so CHRISTIANS (esp. Catholics) HAS A BAD!

The best part being the very first image:


ZOMG, Hitler Haz a WHIP! Clearly, the thinks he's Jesus mit der moneylenders. Because you know who the moneylenders are? That's right, JEWS! ZOMG ZOMG!11!!1one!


And LOOK! We haz a further proof:





Admittedly, the site in question doesn't draw any conclusions, but leaves you to draw your own. I've drawn mine all right. On my etch-a-sketch. Whee!

Lol whut?

Occasionally, it is time to take break to snicker at other people's lolz.

These are lolz from pics of the Creation Museum in northern Kentucky. But I will link entries, from the forums at http://whateveresque.com:





The lolz are for everyone, esp teh dead!

What is this noise!?

Did any of you know about this? I didn't know about this. Not that I would have known about it. But still. STILL.

What the BALLS?

That's just kind of surprising, and a little but of what the shits.

Now, if you want some lulz, howsabout a nice thick slice of Dingo's kidney pie?

Nom Nom Nom.

Leftist claptrap.

Like I consider sites like AlterNet.org unbiased. Still, this is a matter of consternation, especially when combined with this.

And This jawing about things like this, which certaily looks wholesome on paper.

If I were a paranoiac, I would be jawing too, about what we'll say when they ask us again, how we could let Those Atrocities happen, and Didn't We See it Coming?

As it isn't like I haven't had some time to consider these questions.

Me, I was too busy running a Gau. And a Siege, eventually. See, the military is straightforward and simple like that. Do this, don't do that, attack, defend-- morally, it all gets whitewashed under the heading of WAR. But I digress. This has no lulz.

Except the patronising sort one gives to paranoid conspiracy theorists with so much time on their hands they freak out over every shifty little thing. Yeah, we laughs at them.

lololol.

Pointy pointy point.

So I was going on the rant of how, when I was a very young Kainenchen, I looked awfully like a communist because I believed in workers working for the government, and the government insuring the well being of workers. This being because workers striking are bad for the country. And because companies exploiting workers are bad for the country. And ultimately, it is the country, the Nation, and it's well being which matters.

At which point I remembered the sudden and disturbing shock with which i remembered about the main of the camps being forced labour camps. Well, when they're political prisoners, and when they are prisoners at all, it makes sense, let them work. But it occurred to me, it was essentially slave labour. So so.

I finally remembered the point I wanted to make. The thing that bothers me about Holocaust revisionists, wanting to shrink the numbers of dead Jews and all of that. Ok, so the Jews weren't being killed out of hand. They were still being put in-- as the majority were, let me repeat-- labour camps. Which is even LESS acceptable to an American mind than outright murder. This country hates Slavery more than anything, murder, I think, is FAR more acceptable. So revisionists, you're still fucked in the goat ass.

Cry moar, and try again.

Context, I no has it.

From the Godwin's Law, Sarcasm is and Endangered Species, and c'mon... CONTEXT, BY GOD! files:

US actor Will Smith has stunned fans by reportedly declaring that Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler was essentially a "good" person.

In an interview with Scottish newspaper The Daily Record, the 39-year-old Men In Black star said he did not believe Hitler fully understood what effect his policies would have.

"Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'Let me do the most evil thing I can do today," Smith told the newspaper in a wide-ranging interview.

"I think he woke up in the morning and using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good'."

LOLZ!!! That's for anyone who thinks that Will Smith is actually endorsing Hitler. Being unaware of one's own Ebil and Not Being Ebil are two different things. So lame.

Also, sometimes, I wish I was this guy. He's so much cooler than me.

Merry Christmas, everywhere, and here.

The Wonderful Wizard of Wounded Knee.

I'll keep this in mind when I write my children's novel.

Though srsly. The biting sarcasm in the two editorials by L. Frank Baum (more readable versions available here.) is apparent at least to me. Even if it has more than an undercurrent of sincerity, it's hardly the touting hatespeech the first article would make it out to be. If anything, it's a hardline pessimist (and if you don't think the man was a hardline pessimist, re-read the Wizard of Oz) view of the situation in which he was living at the time. He had no way of knowing that Political Correctness, the Holocaust, Civil Rights, Tolerance, and other such buzzwords were going to take ahold of this country, and even if he did, I think he would have snorted at them as the raging hypocrisy which they often are-- if you're taking the Nationalistic view, and I get the impression he was. As a people, the (collective) American continues to be guilty of running in and making a mess of other people's affairs-- to the point where a man like Baum might say of the Muslims, as of the Indians, that the only way to deal with them is to eradicate them all, (even if one can understand their viewpoint).

So, is he being assy? Yeah.

Is he being a OMG!RACIST!HITLAR!HATEMONGAR?

Not really. Not by himself, anyway.

In conjunction with a powerful panzerkrieg-like engine of expansion in the form of a rolling, lockstepping army and driven leadership...

...oh wait.

Still, Baum's no Minister of Propaganda, and Der Amerikaner Feel RILLY bad about all That Stuff nao, and yeah, right?

Well, I suppose we'll see, won't we?

~K.

(and as is fairly clear, ja, das Kainenchen happens to inhabit an American-born fleshsack the now. Hence the EngsDesutche. So there.)

Relijun is SRUS BIZNIS.

One of the more fun things about being a dead nazi is knowing that, with your particular racial/religious/sexual mix this time, you are so the first one in the showers when the final solution comes again.

But seriously folks. Not that I have made too much of an effort to be all that serious. I think this is what worries me most about This kind of thing.

While Romney said some good things in his speech-- the best was his pointing out, essentially, that the reason we are free from sectarian violence as exists in the Middle East is because we do embrace all faiths. This nonsense about the religion of secularism. Secularism has to be the public rule simply because there are too many faiths to make faith of any sort the public rule. Not to imply that all religious symbolism and suggestion should be removed from the culture, for there is a good deal to be said the tradition. That is why a na-jew like this dead nazi celebrates Christmas-- it's a happy tradition, (by God :) and damned if anyone can snatch it away from me.

But let us illustrate Romney's point with this episode of Mickey Mouse and the Protocols of the Elders of Mecca:





That said, I swore my notary public oath on a copy of Samuel Shellabarger's Prince of Foxes.

So yeah.

Um. THOR.

Enter Hitler, riding a giant robot spider.

I linked this a while ago. But I was depressed. And i watched it again. And you know, I am going to watch this all the time, whenever I am depressed. I think it will never cease to cheer me up, forever, always, and aye.



^^

Horst Wessel <3 U.

I mean, ok. Zero Punctuation is always fabulous.

This, however, warms my little dead nazi heart.

^^

~KH.

p.s. -- I was trying to use scribefire to post this, but it doesn't seem to work. Hm.
Will not make any bad nazi extermination jokes, no.

Dingo's Kidneys.

I should not read the claims of Holocaust Revisionists. I should not read refutations of holocaust revisionists. I would link this stuff, but you can find most of it on wikipedia. Well, there's the Nikzor project, but anyway, it only does a very half-assed job at contradicting the claims, which probably stems from the fact that if you immerse yourself in shit, pretty soon the shit will come spurting out of your mouth. That is to say: when trying to objectively combat an example of really bad research and really bad argument over a long period of time, one can certainly become confused enough by it that one forgets how to do so effectively.

I should quote specific examples, but to do so would be fraught. Besides, improving on nikzor's job isn't my intent right now.

No, I was feeling bad for David Irving, spending time in prison for being a holocaust denier. While it seems clear that, as most holocaust deniers, his beliefs are fueled either by antisemitism, comfortable paranoia, or both, it seems to me that to throw the man in jail-- to oppress him and to persecute him for his beliefs, no matter how much they are a bunch of dingo's kidneys, gives credence to the latter. It's such a nice feeling, when you think you're right about a controversial topic, to have people try to silence you by putting you behind bars, and by the passing of laws that make it illegal to even talk about the noise. That is to say-- to be vindicated through oppression. Christ sandwiches.

Still, even though I don't think he ought to have been imprisoned, doesn't mean I ought to have gone and trolled the fellow's website. His Hitler obsession mirrors that some people give Napoleon, and, well, mine, when I was a very small dead nazi.

Aside from the whatevers, I found this link about Hitler's dental troubles especially good for a giggle.

I mean, I can relate.

Spoke to a dead not-nazi a couple of days ago, and feel very odd about the whole thing. It went to thinking and talking alot about the current American situation in ways would get one godwin'd on pretty much any blog ever, but. Anyway. I want to claim that I didn't know so much about the atrocities going on, that certain important people didn't know, that it wasn't as enormously huge a part of the agenda... but that's clearly not true. If my ignorance was so complete, then there would have been something left in me to prevent things like Breslau.

I stop here to prevent myself saying some very mean things about large groups of people.

I want to go burn a city now. I think I'll go pet one of the kitties instead.